Is Your "HEALTHY" Food Actually Desert? : Flavor vs Function Ep.1

What's going on everybody? This is the Flavor Versus Function podcast and I am your co-host, Super Chef Darnell Ferguson

And next to me, the one, the only, the lady who keeps my gut in check, the natural path, and from Clean Good Eats, Mr

Kina Bunch

Yes, we are coming to you from

Ratcliffe, Kentucky

And today, we're going to be stripping away those health labels and getting real about what's actually on your plate

Yeah, not that you may care

Uh but just in case you do care, you know, people are starting to care more and more and more

So that's really what this is

about

Like just think when you think of this podcast, think of everything food, everything nutritions, health, anything under the culinary umbrella

We are going to dive into and break down based on taste, which matters, and based off of how it affects your body

But also, don't forget that

supermarket because that's where you got to go shopping at

So we're going to dive into those products

We're going to dive into all that stuff heavily

So, you know, just strap into your seats, get ready

You know what I'm saying? You ain't got to watch this

I mean, I know I'm good for TV, but you ain't got to

watch it

You can just listen to this and turn your TV off

So, while we get into this today, let's start this off so everyone knows

I am a what they call a super chef

I didn't name myself that people, even though this is my middle name

Really?

Yeah, it is legally my middle name

Shut up

Yeah, this you this is this is good

When I meet women out, they This is This is how I get them

Oh

Oh, it's a conversation starter

I'm Super Chef

Like, what's your real name? Super

chef

You know, show me ID

Once I show my ID, now we locked in

I didn't You got my address now

You know what I'm saying? Now I didn't open myself up

Now I'm vulnerable

Okay

You know what I'm saying? So, but you're a natural path

I am.

And me and my friends don't know what that is

Well, didn't know what that was

I feel like a lot of people out there are smarter than us, but what is a natural path? So, a naturopath is a holistic practitioner

And for me, I focus on food

So I help

people get themselves healthy with food

Oh, you made it simple

So who make it simple? Who in the country needs a natural? Everybody

Every daddy

Everybody needs a You can't say that cuz whenever I open a business or something, I try to tell the

investors like, "Who's your demographic?" Everybody like, "No, no, that's not your demographic

Who needs it?" Now my demographic, that's a different story

You're right

So who Okay

Who needs a natural path? What situation? What do you need to be in? Who Who needs you?

Well, I'll tell you generally when people come to me, I tend to be the last resort, which is sad

Gotcha

Right

Because they've gone to the doctors, you know, they've got diabetes, they've got all these other issues that are going on and they don't know how to

take care of it

So, they come to me as the last resort

So, you work with doctors and physicians a lot? I do

Yes, I do

Okay

So, when you get there, so what does it look like? Do people ever think about coming to you before they get

there? Some do

Not many

I I would love to say the majority do, but they don't

Right

But but some do and when they do, it's generally that they want to work on either weight loss

Y

but some actually just want to get healthy because they've had either someone in their family die, someone been, you know, diagnosed with something

So yeah

Okay

Okay

I cook

I'm a private chef part-time

I don't do it full-time, so I can't you can't hire me

Uh but it's a I

got a neural I don't know what he is

He a neural I don't know neurologist

He's a doctor since now I cook for and he is super like um mentally healthy

Okay

Physically he's healthy

Okay

But the one thing I wanted to say that

he told me when I first met him was he said people see me when it's gotten too far

Whenever you come see me things are bad now

Yeah

It's like man what can we do with a podcast like this to help people not get there? We want to strip away a lot of

things that are hurting them and tell them some unique things you can do differently cuz we're trying to switch from flavor and function, trying to balance the two, right? Yeah, absolutely

But that comes with habits

That comes with time

That comes with

slicing the pie one at a time

You can't you can't change the whole pie at one time, right? Can't eat an elephant all at once

You could

Well, there are some people who can

Let's hit that out there

Okay.

But the thing about that is like we talk about habits

So today, let's let's give people per let's get personal with them for a second

What does your day look like up to this point? Food-wise and habit-wise

So, I'll tell you

Yesterday, you know,

no, no, no

Listen, listen, listen

Yesterday, I actually went on a water fast

Okay

That's not easy to do

No

So, today I thought I was going to eat everything under the sun, but I didn't

I actually was not very hungry today, so I just ate one meal.

What was that one meal, though? Oh, it was I had some chicken salad that I made, which was really, really good

Chicken salad? Hold on

When you say chicken salad, you mean like salad with chicken or chicken salad like with the mayo, the celery, grapes? I don't know if you put grapes

If you don't, put

grapes

No, I don't put the grapes in

If you don't put grapes, I would never eat it

No raisins, no cranberries

They're not equal

Grapes, raisins, and cranberries

Even Even though they all the same, they're not equal

See? So,

okay

I'm not going to deep dive into your uh your meal, but you made it or you bought it? I made it

Okay

You made it? Yes

I don't really trust people

You don't? No.

You got trust issues? Yeah

When it comes to my food, I do have trust issues

Yes, I do

I can understand that

So, what about habit-wise? What did you do? like what is what does your life look like? Because you you can try to eat healthy

Yeah.

Try to be healthy physically, but if you don't have good habits in place, this is true

You know what I'm saying? Cuz it's other What is your habits look like today? So, when I got up this morning, um I got up, I went to work, did all the things, but I ate at lunchtime

I did not eat

breakfast

Even though breakfast is the most important meal of the day

Thanks

I support that

Thank you

I support that

So, you didn't tell us any habits today

Okay

So, we'll just skip on over that

You wonder why am I interviewing? Not interviewing her

I think it's important you know us, right?

The people who are here

Me, I I say I'm more of the flavor of the podcast

That's not saying you don't have tons of it, but I was I would Okay, so I would agree that your food is flavorful first

Yes

First.

Yes

And then matter who the person is, we can we can shy this thing on up

People don't pay me for healthy cooking

Uh they pay me for experience on cooking

You know what I'm saying? But there are some who do pay for healthy and I I get there

But, okay, so this is what I

would say

My day habit-wise was like waking up, uh, cooking breakfast, uh, reading

Okay, you know what I'm saying? That's good

Um,

I did some stretching today

You know what the best habit I had was today was? What? I dropped my boys off to their mom

Number one habit, people, if you got kids, you're not married, you know that's like, like that feeling of the

drop off

Boy, that was the habit of all habits today

You know what I'm I get them back on Friday

Today's Wednesday, but today's habits was killer

So then I ate I ate a lot today

Well, I probably up to this point probably had like five meals and it's 5:00 6:00

So I I'm on a weight

the opposite

Yeah, I'm on a weight gaining journey

I want to get to 220 lbs

Okay

Which is a privilege and then we talk about that like the privilege of being able to gain weight

Oh man, so many people just want food.

You know what I'm saying? That's why part of this podcast I hope we able to do is show people the importance of what you have in front of you, right? The opportunities you have the the fact that people struggle with drinking water is such a blessing

Like most people would most people in the world never struggle

with drinking water

They just want it

You know what I'm saying? We get the choice of ah it's nasty

What? What do you mean water is nasty? That even makes sense when you say it when you hear it

You how is what your body made of mostly not worth it for

You know that's a whole another car

We going to get into

water another time

I ain't going to get too much right now another time

But okay

Flavor versus function podcast

What do you think? Do most people care more about flavor or function? Flavor

That was an easy one for you

What? What?

Unless they've got issues, then they are more concerned about function

Or unless they were raised a certain way, perhaps

Yes

How you were raised

That's why so I got I got a girl I know who kids don't eat vegetables now

But I the thing about it

was we were talking about it is like they didn't start like that

She got there over time

So, so I didn't want a single parent didn't want to deal with that at the table every day

So, she's like, "You know what? We'll just give them fruit at the at dinner time." You know what I'm saying? We'll just do

fruit

And so, every time it's supposed to be a vegetable, she gives them fruit

And in her mind, that's a win

Like, that's good

I'm like, but there's so many vitamins, minerals, and nutrients that you need for vegetables that if you don't ever get them, they're they're

malnourished, you know, and behavioral stuff like we'll get into later, which is really your world

Um, but I would say the same thing

Flavor is king

Function is uh only important when it matters, right? Which is why we're here.

Yes

You know what I'm saying? It's 100% why we're here right now

Because one day it's gonna matter

Oh, one day it will matter

And that's why you see me up here sitting at 6'4, 200 and something pounds in shape

See my shoulders right there.

No, I'm joking with you

This is all for fun, people

I don't have to use any of these muscles for anything

None of this stuff is for use

It's only for show

Uh so, okay, let's dive into this thing, right? Why do you think most people have a hard time eating healthy?

Because they think it tastes like cardboard and grass

Because of years of it tasting like cardboards and grass? No, not necessarily

Um perhaps that's what their mindset was

Gotcha

Cuz I also would agree with that

But I also would say that

up until now, healthy eating has always been flavorless or quoted as flavor flavorless

There are some people who can cook it right

No, not to toot your own horn, but it's probably time to do it

Uh, but overall, it's not just you can't you don't accidentally eat healthy.

No, you don't

Yeah, it takes planning

It's intentional

Yep

Do you accidentally take a vacation? No

Do you accident? Well, I'm sorry

Long story.

There was this one time in college where we just stumbled upon Red Rock

No

So, you know, but you don't accidentally have a good marriage

You don't accidentally do a lot. have a great career

Some people do get lucky

But most people who are at a high level had to plan for it, right?

And I think people don't understand how much planning, not even how much how little planning needs to go into having a healthy lifestyle, especially eating healthy

Yeah, I agree

But the question is, okay,

the dilemma

So, let's get into our stories

Today's story, people, is imagine this

You We've all been here, a lot of us

I have seven kids, so I'm here way more than you are

Uh we're driving home from practice

You know, practice went long

Totally forgot

that we had practice

Kids weren't acting right

You got one screaming in the back seat

It's getting close to 9:30 right now. 9:30 p.m

You know what I'm saying? And you got to make a decision

You planned on cooking when you got home, but for some reason you don't feel like

cooking

You're worn out, right? You're driving home and the only options McDonald's, Chick-fil-A, what we got, Chipotle, and Subway

Okay

What What do we do here? Like, what what do what do you advise people to do? I'm

I'm going to trick you

You didn't know I was going to do this

What do you advise people to do who only have McDonald's on their ride home? That's hard

Fast because you know what? You know, when we when we put this together, my thought

process was with all these restaurants, the realism of this, if you're in the West End in Louisville, Kentucky, Chipotle is not there

Subway may be there, but it ain't everywhere

You and they close early

Yeah

You know what I'm saying? Uh, you're

really only going to have McDonald's or Burger King

Or Burger King or Indies

You know what I'm saying? But what do you do with McDonald's and that's all you have? That's That's a hard one

It is.

Uh, do they do baked potatoes? I'm Oh, that's that's Wendy's

Well, Wendy's is there

Okay, we'll substitute

We'll we'll take out for this one

Okay

We'll take out Chick-fil-A and we'll give you Subway

I mean, no, we'll give you a Wendy's.

We'll give you Wendy's

We'll give you Wendy's

Okay

So, we we can do baked potato

Yeah, do baked potato

Uh-huh

Baked potato

Put some stuff on the baked potato

What? Subway

Butter, salt, and pepper

You got to give them something

If you

don't put nothing on a baked potato, how do you swallow it? Well, no, no

I I I agree

I agree

But I mean So, it's it's just the the lesser evil

You know what I tell people? If you got a choice between fast food and no food, choose no food.

Yeah

Cuz fast food hurts you

It does

No food helps you

Fasting what your body does

But you think those kids are going to be like, "It's okay, mom

We don't need to eat."

Hey, they'll these kids bad

They'll go to school and tell the counsel you ain't feeding

They said they been pulled up at your house

You didn't get them dinner last night

We were fasting, man

We can't fast

Baked potato

Hey, cancel that

Get them some food.

But if it's just an adult, but that's not the scenario

We got a whole family

Okay

So, what I would do is I would, first of all, Wendy's is the better of the two

I'm not promoting Wendy's by no right

fat of the imagination, but the baked potato is great

They do have salads with grilled chicken

They do have balsamic vinegrett, raspberry vinegrettes, anything away from the creamy dressings that they have

Um, but to be honest with you, when you think of healthy,

it's always a solid

Mhm

You know what I'm saying? Can you get a burger with lettuce? That's like a win, right? You know what I'm saying? Fro fresh, never frozen at Wendy's

That's right

That's what they say.

And Chick-fil-A also says just fried chicken, but it's not

It's like a six ingredient, so like don't believe any of them

Okay

No

So, okay

So, but let's say now we're driving and we're in Middletown

Okay

And you have all these options.

Middletown is is a more upto-date

Yeah

What would you call affluent? Affluent

Affluent neighborhood

So they have all these stores on on the streets

What are you getting when that is the option now? Chipotle

Facts

I would agree with that

too

It's easy

So would you consider Chipotle as a healthy option for people? I I consider it as a healthier healthier option

Yeah

Because Chipotle at least some of their ingredients are actually organic

Yep.

And they are mindful of where they're sourcing their ingredients

Gotcha

I care less if people source the ingredients usually

Uh, I'm just saying like this is honesty at its best

That's flavor

That's flavor at its best

Hey, you got that from Guatemala

You

could have got it from Texas for all I care

You know what I'm saying? I don't care where you got them avocados from

Price is too high right now

You know what I'm saying? Like that's how people think though, right? Is that not how most of Americans think? You're right

It's true.

Chick-fil-A, not Chick-fil-A, uh, Chipotle, where you sourcing all that matters

I agree with that

As a chef, you're only as good as your ingredients

I don't care what you do, all the flavors you put with it

If your ingredients suck, your food sucks.

But at the same time, when it comes to like their marketing strategies, I could care two pennies if they say they lo they source it from here

It's organic

I that in that state now, when we get into the supermarket's different because

is it? You're still putting it in your body

How is it different? Because I don't trust Chipotle

Well, I don't trust the supermarket

You think the supermarket is there for you? No

Oh, the supermarket is a multi-million dollar business

Conglomerate

You see that word?

Conglomerate was the real word we were looking for there

But I will say this, I trust the supermarket's dry

I mean, it's blank

You're going to make the dish

You know what I'm saying? I just don't trust all that

It's all marketing to make you pay more money

All these things

So, and I know people in the

comments like, "He's so stupid." It's not marketing

It's where they got it from

It's organic

Hey, man

If I'm going to Chipotle, that if I was so organic, I would just make it myself

True

Correct

True.

If I was all the way, but there's those times where that just ain't realistic, right? And that's where we want to relate to people at is in that moment

Kind of like because I would say this it would be the same in like being ga I

thought it's being gas lit

What do you mean? Culinary gas lit

It's kind of like say fruit on the bottom yogurt, right? That's what it's kind of like fruit on the bottom yogurt

It's kind of like it's like gaslighting

It's like fruit on the bottom donut versus glazed donut.

Okay, let's go head for head right now. fruit on the bottom yogurt which has let's go up 5.3 ounce container of cubani strawberry in the bottom Greek yogurt 14 grams of total sugar which let's be honest nine grams is added sugar five grams is natural sugar you know

what I'm saying which if I'm correct which I always going to defer to you your liver and your body doesn't know the difference right doesn't care right so eat all the refined sugar you want to don't listen to me that was a joke they

could tell I'm joking with that you know what I'm saying but just think about okay I'm going to ask you this

Mhm

If your body doesn't know the difference between high fructose corn syrup and an orange, sugar in an orange

Okay

Well, the high fructose corn syrup

is going to be highly processed

Ex way

Yeah

Yeah

Highly processed

Whereas the sugar in the orange is not going to be processed

So although the body is still looking at it as sugar, you have to think that it's not just the liver that has to look at that

It's the whole

body

M all right y'all this going to be very clear this is paid for information we going to have to get you a subscription for this stuff you know what I'm saying that is that's what the difference is because that's what someone would say on social media right now is your body

doesn't know the difference between sugar well it's your liver may not know the difference but your body's going to react to different sugars differently your total body will cuz like we'll talk about like the fiber you get from orange when you actually eat the whole orange like that's going

to react to your body differently than nothing nothing so we're back to I want to hear your take

Cubani strawberry fruit in the bottom yogurt are one glazed crispy cream donuts with 10 grams of sugar and versus was it 15 grams? Was it 15? 11

uh 14 grams of sugar, but it also has 11 grams of protein

Okay

So, what what is your take on this? So, okay

People are going to migrate toward the yogurt, right? 100% right because they think it's healthy.

So I would say just go for the dessert, right? Just go for go for the thing that you actually want because when you go for that yogurt thinking it's healthy is really doing more damage because you're thinking that it's healthy and it's not

So you're probably going to wind up eating more of it because you think it's

healthy

Gaslighting

So that is that's a smart way of putting it

So you go with the donut because you know you only have one, right? The yogurt you going to have you can think you have it for breakfast, lunch,

oh yogurt here. had a yogurt as a snack and before you know it, no, you done added up all the sugar and went way past where you were trying to get to in the first place

So, I this is I mean I agree with you

Okay, my love language is donuts, people

Um I

love everything about them

Go and eat all the donuts

I'm just saying now you kind of you know when you didn't know, you didn't know

But I love donuts

I have a special connection with them

Every city I go to, I try donuts

Really? Yeah

It's crazy cuz it's

Have you ever been to Five Daughters? Five Daughters? Where's that at? It's in this area

Oh, it's in Tennessee

Oh, that's not close

When you go, you got to get a crew

Nashville

Cronut? No, it's in Franklin.

Oh, Franklin

A little further

Yeah

Yeah

Yeah

You got to get a cronut

What's it called? It's called Five Daughters

You got to get a cronut

Five daughters

I'm sorry

Don't I You know, if you're

going to do that, get the cronut

Hey, naturopath told you, get you a cronut

All right

That's the thing

Moderation is key

That's right

Because what is the ratio you think of being super healthy compared to what you little

8020 200 20 8020 8020 healthy 80 okay and then 20 because your body can handle it but if you're doing it all the time then you might want to go for 9010

90 oh sheesh if you're doing it all the time

All the time is crazy well

Yeah

So what we did in our house before we got into all this stuff of changing our lifestyles from eating

My whole family did it

We have a new show we're doing called Super Chefer Supermarket

where we expose people to grocery stores items and show them how to cook, pick, all that kind of stuff is first thing we did was I changed my kids eating habits and mines

First day one I threw out everything in the pantry that wasn't made

Good for you.

It was hard

Good for you

A lot of money went away that day

Proud of you

But I do know my problem is eating

So everyone has their their their thing, their kryptonite

Yes

My kryptonite sauces

Oh,

I can't eat food without a sauce

I can't eat my daughter's krypton

I can't eat meat without sauce

What? Yeah

If you make it right, you don't eat the sauce

Hey, man

Do we Let me tell you

something

You're not going to put chicken breast in front of me without no sauce

Well, oh yeah, a steak in front of me

I'm the kind of person, so most people know me when I go to restaurants, but I still go to restaurants and ask for steak sauce and

they say, "Chef steak sauce? Really?" I'm like, "That's just nostalgic

My mom, I was raised on A1 steak sauce." But then let me ask you this

Is it like habit? 100%

Okay

Okay

Cuz I was going to say cuz you know like when people get food in

front of them and then they just start salting it, they haven't even tasted it yet

That's a bad habit

Mine is a good habit if I had to judge them

You know what I'm saying? Putting salt on a piece of food before you taste is crazy work by the way

And

hopefully people But you put sauce on on food before you taste it

That's wrong

I don't order it if it doesn't have sauce

Big difference here

You won't even get to my plate

You know what I'm saying? Not even coming this way if it doesn't

have a sauce on it

You know what I'm saying? That's just that's just the way it is

I can do some compound butters

There's a lot of ways we can get there

But what we can't do is just give me uh pork chop by itself

See, that's where we go to know

That's where the flavor versus functions at is peak at because

you need a little flavor in order to function a little bit better

So then that brings us into my next question, right? Do you think people sometimes sacrifice flavor trying to be healthy? Do I think people sometimes 100%

I seen a guy on social media, no joke,

okay, today it was funny

He said he's he was in shape

You can tell he worked out

He's a bodybuilder or something

He said how people asking what's the best foods to eat, to cut, to lean down

He said chicken with rice

Option two, chicken next to rice

Option three, chicken

diced up in rice

Option four, one piece of chicken on the rice, one piece of chicken next to rice

I'M LIKE, AND ALL HIS chicken just had seasoning on it

I said, "This ain't the worst looking chicken and rice I've ever seen in my life." Like, bro, you could glaze it a little bit

You know what I'm saying?

Throw a little glaze, put a little smoked paprika on, change the color, give it a lime or something

But people in the beginning, it's like a baby when you take your first steps

They always go extreme

Yeah

Oh, I don't want nothing on this

They

don't season their vegetables, their nothing

Yeah

Yeah

It's like there's a balance in between that

But that's come with education, right? Most people don't want to be educated

You know what I'm saying? But now with

social media, I will say it's the benefit of social media is now education comes quick

Flick

If you type something in your algorithm, boy, before you know it, you can find 30 second videos to show you all kind of healthy recipes real quick you can do

So, that is a benefit of social media and a

benefit of your algorithms

Correct

And and I'll tell you something, too

At Clean Good Eats, what we do is 15-minute meals

I don't like to be in the kitchen long, right? I cook like someone who would cook at home, right? And I think that's why my clients like coming to me because they know I

don't like being in the kitchen long

So, if I can make it in 15 minutes or less, I'mma make it in 15 minutes or less

She said, "Uh, Rachel who? Rachel who? That was Rachel Ray, by the way

She had 30 minute meals

You got 15 minute meals, though

Rachel who? Hey Rach, I

love you

I've been on your show multiple times, but that's what she was saying

I didn't say just the energy you're giving off right now

You know what I'm saying? Like 15-minute meals is a whole game changer

It is

Let me tell you something

I've learned

about people

And so 70, no, 65% of Americans don't know what they're going to eat 2 hours before dinner

Exactly

So 15 minutes is really two hours

Yeah

You know what I'm saying? Because you got to think about, you know, how hard

is to think about what you eat for dinner

That is way harder than actually cooking it

What we going to have for dinner? I don't know

What you got to taste for? I don't know

You want us know why'd you ask me what I wanted for dinner, right? You know what I'm saying? Like, so

that's a whole process

That's why if you give yourself 30 minutes on a Sunday to sit down and really map out what it looks like, even though things change, and that's the thing I tell people

That's why I tell you don't don't don't grocery shop for a whole week at one time

because we all have been to that place where your mother or somebody has told you hey go smell go see if that's good

You know what I'm saying? Like go see if that's good

Like what you mean go see if it's good

Then you just buy it

Uh but the thing is she bought it on Sunday

Today is Friday

It's been that

refrigerator

But for those people who don't have a lot of time hold on we all got 24

No

But not but not necessarily so

Right

For those people who are working a lot and may not necessarily have the time to go shopping multiple times

during the week, you can prep on Sunday and buy things you can freeze, okay, so that you can use it throughout the week

That's smarter than So I used to be in a meal prep heavy and you know what happens is a meal prep

is you'll get your food on Sunday for the whole week

Yes

By day three, you so tired of that food like it's a force now

You think about kids who ain't got no food to eat

That don't matter

I don't want to eat that food

though

You know what I'm saying? Because it's been in the refrigerator and you've been eating it for so long now that it's just lost its integrity

Right? Once food loses integrity like a relationship or like anything, your mind is already like, it ain't

worth it

You know what I'm saying? This ain't this whole thing I'm doing right now ain't even worth it

I'm going just go to the store real quick and buy something

You know what I'm saying? So, what I tell people when they meal prep is only meal prep for three days at a time

Yeah.

You should be picking it up twice a week

You know what I'm saying? Pick it up on Sunday or Monday, pick it up on Thursday or Wednesday

You know, because that's just too long to be in the refrigerator for me, and it's too long for most people

They

will fight through it, but this is not Guantanamo Bay

This is not prison

This is like life

You shouldn't be going to like, "Oh my gosh, I got to go eat this." Like, no, you should

This is a thankful, oh my gosh, I get, you know what I'm saying? Like, but it doesn't feel like that.

So, it shouldn't be like my grandmama's kitchen

I love my grandmama

Let's explain this

What was our kitchen like? We went through her kitchen

Oh, I'm about I'm probably going to get in trouble for this

I'm sorry in advance

Well, we went through her kitchen and

there were some things in there

You know, you remember uh Kool-Aid

Yeah

And we opened the packet

It's supposed to be like powder, right? Yeah

What was it? Stuck together

It's hard

I didn't know Kool-Aid could do that.

I didn't know it could do that either

Hey, people did

Well, people don't throw away condiments or nothing in refrigerators or pantries

This is true

Se Okay, so I'm going give two people a fact real quick

Uh just to tell people this

Most people

don't know this

Spices and seasonings go bad, people

Mhm

I know in your mind paprika could last 3 years

It don't last 3 years

News flash

It don't taste like paprika next time you use inside that ingredient.

And if it changes color, please throw it away

But yeah

How you talking about like grandma's home? Like, well, how long has that tarter sauce been there for or that ice cream? It's syrup now

Please, let's stop.

You know what I'm saying? So, we got to get That's why you shouldn't over buy

Yeah

You know what I'm saying? Now, seasons are different cuz sometime you need it for a recipe and it's good to have

You know what I'm saying? a good like it's like a it's like a piece of tool in your

tool bag

I'm not obviously you tell I'm putting nothing together

What's it called? Like got something

It's like you got something to go pull out and use when you need it

Seasonings are great

Yes

But I just think people think they last forever and that's why by time they feel like going healthy

They use all

them old seasonings and then they wonder why the food don't taste good

Uh, but I would always say people are sacrificing flavor and trying to be healthy where that was never the cost because the best restaurants in the world do the least amount to their food

Absolutely.

The best restaurants in the world do the least amount to their food

I'm talking about the product's great

You'd be so I remember I worked in a restaurant one time and my family came in there

Actually, it was here at Proof Main down 21C hotel and my family came in one time and they

asked for like some ranch on their salad

We don't do ranch here, buddy

We got olive oil and vinegar

Olive oil, lemon juice mixed together

We mix together right before we put on your salad

Actually, we got the squirt bottle for our lemon juice and our uh olive oil and we'll just mix them

together real quick

Toss your salad in there

Get a little salt, pepper, and then that's every salad's like that

Yeah, that does not fly with them

No, they were like, "Oh, it better have be better be creamy, right? Some cream on that." Yes.

It got to be You know what I'm saying? That's the thing is like healthy, man

It's a training

It is

You have to train yourself for healthy when you have been addicted to flavors, not to food

And I'll tell you something, if you're doing just straight healthy and you're

not flavoring your food, you're not going to stick to that very long because you want food that tastes like something

So if it doesn't taste like anything, they're not going to stick to it

No, I'm not going to stick to it

So I would 100% say that's a huge issue.

Yes

You know what I'm saying? And and people take their time, man

Flavor versus function is we want to get the flavor and the function and harmonizing

You know what I'm saying? Like back in the day with Jodicy used to do with Casey and Jojo

You know what I'm saying? And then Devonte used to come in

there with his boots

You know what I'm saying? That's how cooking should be

Casey and Jojo

Forever my lady in the world

That's a good comparison for people

Okay, cuz Okay, back

Let me let me tie this in for you

This is a good tie in too

I

think this on the fly

How you tie this in is when you're cooking, you should be listening to good music

Yes

That's the problem with these people

Yes

You listen to bad music when you cook, you get bad food

That's right

You know what I'm saying? That's not

factual, but it should be

It is factual

Feel good

You know what I'm saying? I play good music when I cook

And clean at Clean Goodies, especially when we're doing meal prep have to have good musical

So, for Clean Good Eats, which is your

company, do you ship them or is it only for people who are signed up for like a whole experience? Yeah

Well, no

So, we don't ship them

They come in because we don't have delivery service at the moment

Okay

Right

But it is an experience, but we

also do meal prep where they come in and they pick up their stuff

Okay

Fantastic

Just let people know what's out there

If you're in the Louisville, uh, southern Indiana, close to Tennessee, would you say? Yeah

Well, no matter how committed you are,

all right, matter if you really about this life

Okay

Okay

So, let's get to our next one then

Okay

All right

So, when you are cooking for yourself versus others, does your approach of flavor versus function change?

100%

What? 3,000%

Why? There ain't that many people I there are, like I told you, I'm private chef for a doctor and he's paying me to cook healthy

Uh, but

most people want the food that tastes fire, that's creative, that's artistic, and you can think about functionality, but you're not here for that right now

You know what I'm saying? There is a time and a place for a a chef who's doing it as a living.

Okay

You know what I'm saying? Yeah

In the sense of like I don't know, but learning curve

Ah, it's a pain curve

Okay

So, that's what people are experiencing the pain

That's like why do vegan restaurants cost more than regular restaurants?

Because there's a lot of things that you got to do

Yeah

Mhm

Not really

That's what I'm saying

So, but when it's a cost difference there

So, what I would say is when I'm cooking for myself, function is number one.

My kids function is number one

But there are those times like I will tell you this

I have my moments where like last night my nephews are here

They're back here looking like they'd ever seen a podcast before

Uh, and but like we picked up Lil Caesars on the ride home

There was 0% chance I was

going home and cooking last night

Okay

I had the two, they're both 15 years old, 16 years old

We just left the gym

We had to go from store to store

My three boys are at home with their older sister

That was never going to happen.

Okay

You know what I'm saying? And I had food at home to cook

Like I'm cooking when I get leave here, but it's like there's no way I was going home and I need these chicken thigh skins to get really crispy

You know what I'm saying? I I do have

Especially if you haven't thought them out

I I would I only buy I don't buy frozen food often

I rarely ever buy I freeze it

Oh, you freeze it after you buy it

That's smart

Even though I'm I don't have a problem with like frozen shrimp

or anything

Anything that's frozen on the vessel or something like that, I'm good to go with that

But I will say when I cook for myself, functionality matters a lot more

Flavor is secondary, but it matters

But when I'm cooking for other people, if the flavor is not good,

they don't care nothing about the functionality of me

This was horrible

Yelp

Yelp it up

You know what I'm saying? Give me some life

Dave like give me death

You know what I'm saying? I want I want all flavor

So, what about you when you're cooking

at home or when you're cooking for yourself versus others? How does that go with flavor versus function? Both

Always

See, but you live that life

I do

Like I I told you like it's kind of like

like Bane in uh Batman Returns

I got a lot of my mind goes a lot of places

Yes, it does

I see this. remember he said you merely adopted a doctor

I was born in it, you know, like you are born in this

Well, I mean, honestly, I didn't really

start cooking this way until I was 40

Okay

So, but I did it because my daughter was allergic to everything but four foods

So, she could have bison, turkey, iceberg, lettuce, and cucumbers for 10 months

That's all she could eat

Wow

Yeah

And I didn't know how to cook

And

I'm like, Lord, I'm about to kill this child

Right. and then found out that my husband had a condition called G6PD, which caused his red blood cells to just burst faster than he could reproduce them

And what he could eat, she couldn't, and what she could eat, he couldn't

So

that's a lot

You think I was making four meals for every meal

Yeah, that's a lot

Yeah, that's that's a lot

So when I learned how to do it, it was definitely a learning curve because I'd be in the grocery store for three hours. three

hours just trying to figure out do I get this, do I get that, do I get this? Reading every label

So yeah, there's a learning curve, but once you get it, you got it

It's like in your six cents now, man

That's your superpower

You walk through

there, you educate people, you do it all now

Mhm

So you had to cook four different meals

Four different meals because my youngest son was picky

And I'm like, dude, you going to eat whatever I put on this plate.

Yeah

Sheesh, man

What? That was because they had to

You had to be like that, though

That wasn't just a choice because they didn't want to eat this and you were just out here being their executive chef

Exactly

You were actually doing it because of

needs

Okay

So, flavor versus functions

Your lifestyle

You're always functional with flavor

Whereas for me in my career, it's flavor first

Could you imagine me on a competition show? I'm on tournament champions

I can't speak to the judges

I got I got this meal that is so delicious

It gives them

life

The fiber is right

The protein is there. the vitamins, the minerals, everything is the kind of food that'll give you it'll turn you into a superhuman

That's right

But the flavor was a 50

Oh no.

Oh, they'll destroy me

No one would ever buy

You see this is how it Why do you have to have that? Why can't it be both? It can be

Okay

Just not in my world

Oh, you know what I'm saying? But

you hang around me a little more

I'm trying to change that though

I've changed it first in my own life

All right

And now I want to help other people see how easy it is when you take step by step

Absolutely.

Kind of like the old show

See, I got everything in my head

Like that was a good show back in the day

Is that not true? If it's not true, you tell me it's not true

Okay

Did you not like Step by Step? It was okay.

It was right

They were family

I mean, it wasn't, you know, it was all TJ

You remember TJ? Single or anything

It's okay

Well, we got to go there

You know what I'm saying? We was straight path TJ Friday

Live single didn't come with TGI Fridays

I used to wait for Fridays

because it came on Thursdays

That was even better

Yeah

Had it was that and um what was the other show that came on with it? I forget

It was They came on together. living single with another show

Oh, Girlfriends was it? Girl, yeah

No, girlfriends was not yet.

Yeah, a new show

Okay, back to what we talking about

Flavor versus dysfunction people

Uh, no

Okay, so let's tap into this

One of the biggest things for people, people hate liars

Absolutely

It's not one person I know who doesn't

hate a liar

But there is nobody in the world who lies more than labels

Yep

People Sugar is a huge issue, right? It is huge issue

So one of the things you see a lot is no sugar added

illusion

So sugar has what over 300 names in the food and beverage industry use all 300

Well boy you never know it's there until you know the names of sugar and different because I mean even if it says oh pineapple concentrate like sugar you know what I'm saying like there's a

lot of things

So how much sugar should someone have in a day? Well before we go there but before we go there you have to understand it goes back to the no fat lie right? So when food was made and they had fat in it, they deemed the fat to be bad

So they said, "Oh, there's no fat." So what did

they put in to replace the fat? Sugar

Yes

Because where is all the flavor in the food? That's right

So if you have no fat, you got to have some flavor

So they put in the sugar

Right

So now everything's got sugar

So the most that you are supposed to

have according to the recommended daily allowance is 24 grams of sugar. 24 grams of sugar. 24 grams of sugar

Do you know how many teaspoons that is? Yes, I do

Okay

Oh, you want me to answer?

Yeah, I do

Oh, her

Okay

I don't

I know

I don't at all

I know that honestly

So, it's Hold on

Hold on. 10 grams of sugar is one tablespoon

or two

It's either one or two

I'm there

I'm halfway there

One or two

Which one is it? It's six teaspoons

What is 24 grams? It's six teaspoons

Mhm.

Oh, okay

Six teaspoons

Six teaspoons in a day

Yes

So, think of your average can of what? Soda that my my nephew just had

Yes

That was 29 grams of sugar

That sounds crazy

One can in one can.

Yeah

And that's why they market it as no sugar added

That's right

That's what I get all the time

People uh so this is obviously something that's everywhere

This is what people choose no sugar all the time

But while they

haven't done white sugar or even like the diet sugar

Yep

Well, yeah

I would that's kind of artificial

That's even worse

Yeah

Yeah

Like those those sugar alcohols

Those things are horrible

So what is a sugar alcohol?

Sugar alcohol is the essence of sugar, right? But it's 200 times more powerful or more sweet than regular sugar

Where you know where it comes from? Like what is a sugar alcohol? I did a little diving deep into that one day when I look at my notes from Google

Okay,

I'll let you know

Yeah, we'll get back to that people

We'll get back

But the reality is to a child's liver, sugar from concentrate is processed almost exactly like high fructose corn syrup

Without the fiber of the whole fruit, it slows down digestion

It still has a higher sugar hit

even though it doesn't have sugar in it and it starts the process of fatty liver disease

Sheesh

So, think about it this way with kids right now

Older adults, you used to see fatty liver disease when they were an alcoholic for decades

Right now you're

starting to see it in kids as young as 10

Yeah

As young as 10

So what is that saying? That's saying that the sugar is now creating that fatty liver disease in the liver

What do you think is making parents bring all this stuff home to their kids

because it's cheap and their kids love it and it's marketed toward them

I mean, think about when you go in the grocery store, right? You go in the grocery store, where are all the sugary snacks? Right there at their eye level, right? Yes

No, I agree

I just wonder that

And

well, I know the answer to it is that it's just been common for them to do their whole lives

Yeah

You saying, but like now that I got older and I know how food affects the body, like it is your job to train your kids in how to eat

Like you build the habits.

You got to train yourself first

Yeah

Got to train yourself first

No

It's kind of like the airplane mask

Oh, here we go

Give it to yourself first and then give it to your kid

Yes.

What if they're passed out though? Then what does the match do? But that's still what they say

So you didn't know where I was going with that, did you? No, I didn't

I have no idea where you're going

People have tons of these things for y'all on all these podcasts

You get

tons of conundrous

Yeah

I don't know if that's the right word for it, but it sounded right on point

Uh, but I will say this

So, let's get to our next thing

Okay

Honey wheat bread.

Let's talk about that

Multi-grain bread, sprouted bread

I want to just get your thought of the lie that goes into like honey wheat and like the 100% sprouted grains like the change in color

The change in color is it's a change in color.

So the only difference you're saying between white bread and honey wheat bread is a change in color

I mean most of them don't even really use honey

I mean it's a marketing ploy

Yeah, it really is.

So what kind of bread should people be getting? I would say sprouted sprouted grains are great, right? Because sprouted actually starts the digestive process for you so that when you're eating it, you don't have to digest as as or you don't have to make it hard to digest

It's much

easier to digest

Okay

Is there any bread that you recommend? Um I like Ezekiel bread

Oh my god, that is the worst bread in the world

People, I'm going to tell you this right now is do not go buy that bread if you are new to this

Hey, if

you are new to this, not true to this, do not go buy Ezekiel bread

You will

Well, you also said don't buy coconut aminos

That was because they had more sugar than uh there's no sugar in coconut aminos

Not the coconut aminos I bought.

Google coconut aminos bread

Just make it yourself

It's so simple to make it yourself

They got bread makers

Just put it in the thing and make it yourself

Walk away

I mean, literally, you put the ingredients in, it mixes for you, and

it'll approve everything in one day

It's like the Instant Pot for bread, I think, like for people

That's like So, sourdough bread is great for people

Yes, sourdough bread is great

That takes a long time

It does

And it takes a skill.

Whereas bread making is not a skill

It is a skill

But just basic white bread or wheat bread, whole wheat bread is not hard to make

But I will say the multi-grain sounds healthier because it implies like a variety

Yes.

You know what I'm saying? But multi-grain just means the product contains more than one type of grain

That's right

It it it doesn't mean that there are highly refined

You know what I'm saying? It just means that it's multiple grains in there.

Yes

And that's what they tout for school lunches, which really works me

School lunch is the worst thing ever

They are

They are horrible

They are absolutely horrible

Yep

So, I am a person unless it says 100% whole grain, right?

You know what I'm saying? Like I I kind of stay away from it

I like this Dave's bread

Dave

Yeah

They got the seed and the nuts

Oh, that's the bomb

Mhm

I've never had it

Ezekiel is for like when you strong in this life, like you've been doing it for years

Ezekiel bread is a bread you can

do on the D David fast

By the way, I don't put it OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE

DON'T JUST relegate Ezekiel to the Daniel fast

But it's synonymous

It's synonymous with the Daniel fast

Uh isn't that correct? Huh? Sure.

Can't you eat the Ezekiel bread on the Daniel fast? No

You can't? No

You sure? No, I'm not

Oh, I say I was searching

So, quick

story before we get to the next subject

I was doing the Daniel fast, which is you can eat like seeds, nuts, fruits, anything that comes from the earth

No leavenning in bread

So, you can make like na bread, no meat

Um no meats, no seafood, nothing has to come from the earth

Yes,

like vegetables

Um, and I learned at that moment

I did the Daniel fast and never got hungry

That's right

And I realized I'm too good of a chef to do Daniel fast

I'll never really get to the fasting part because I have figured every way around this thing

I like

sugar

So, I was like, I'm going to make some peanut butter and jelly oatmeal, right? You need sugar

You can't have added sugars

That's part of the Daniel fast, right? But I took my dates, I put water in them, I cooked them down, cook them down more

I put that with my

blueberries cuz that my hot blueberry gel that was just as sweet as the regular stuff

Well, look, I'm going to tell you, when we do meal prep, we don't use sugar

You don't? Nope

That's good

We use dates.

Dates are amazing

They are

I think that's God's candy

It is

Yeah

We We do dates

Dates are definitely uh And on the Daniel Fast, we do meal prep for the Daniel Fast, too

You do?

We do

And we're not hungry

No one should be able to get a meal prep on the Daniel Fast

Hey, you're still busy

Doesn't change your schedule

That's like cheating

How's that not cheating? You're still doing the Daniel Fest

In fact, it's

even better because you know you can't cheat

I don't know

I cheated

So, who am I to tell you? Exactly

God was like, you figured you never make great day in your life

Darn

Now, now y'all here looking like you should be on

in Pakistan doing this thing the way I was good at it, you know

Uh, so, okay, now that we're off of whole grains and that's how I got there, by the way

I just want to throw that out there

We put that back together

We have hit natural flavoring

Let's talk about for one second before we get

off this topic

The kidsized portion traps

That's the packaging snacks in small colorful 100 calorie pouches when in reality there's often air puffed highly processed that makes you feel like it's a lot of food and few calories

But they offer zero zero sidity

Oh,

hold on

Where the fif I say that sound so stupid

Satiy sayity

Edit that out

The whole thing, Evan, when you see this, don't use that part

Uh but a child will eat the pack and still feel hungry 10 minutes later because there's no fiber or protein to

fill them up

No nutrient

Then that is the difference between fruit juice and fruit

It's getting that well the the difference is also fiber and no fiber.

Yeah

Is which will slow down the spike of blood pressure

Correct

So therefore you need those minerals

You need those things to fiber and stuff like that to make your blood pressure not spike up

Well, not necessarily the blood pressure, but sugar in your blood, your your insulin levels, but it also slows

down the process of digestion

So, this way you're not famished in like two hours

I'm always famished in two hours

So, but you need more fiber

What? Okay, let's talk fiber for a second.

No, I need more fiber

What is the best What should I eat? Oh my goodness

So, you know how most people will eat a sweet potato and they'll eat the inside but not the outside? Not the skin.

Yeah, the outside's where the fiber is

Well, I eat all the the thing cuz I dice them up and roast them

Okay

Well, that's good

That's okay

Well, we haven't tast anyway, so that's an easy fix

God put the fiber on the outside so that it would temper the sugar that's on the

inside

Apples, pears, like you name it

Okay

Okay

Okay

Let's get to this

Okay

Listen, listen, listen

This is going to be fun

M fact, I'm let you ask

I'll go first since I'm the chef

I'll let you ask this and I'll go first.

Okay

I'm used to being on competition shows and stuff

All right

So, we're going to do like a a quick rapid fire

Yeah

No

A 10-minute toss

Oh, 10-minute toss

Okay

All right

So, you have three

ingredients

All right

Okay

Just three

That's all you get

I've been there before

Three ingredients, one pan, and 10 minutes

What's the meal you're going to make? What you I'm making

uh I'm going to do chicken thighs with the skin on

Okay

That's what That's my one ingredient

I'm going to get Korean barbecue sauce

That's my second ingredient

And I'm going to get some spinach

That's my third ingredient

Okay

And I'm going to season up my

skin

Slowly render out the fat in it

That way I can use that fat to sauté my um spinach in

Well, my spinach in I don't overcook my spinach

It's still a little raw when I get it

Um and I'm going to I told you I don't eat meat without sauce

So, ain't no way in the world I'm about

to just get some chicken without no sauce

So, I'm going just put a little bit of that glaze on top of that that um chicken breast

I mean that chicken thighs cuz the fat is so delicious and adds so much to it that I only need like a teaspoon of glaze on top of each one.

Okay, that's what I'm doing

Chicken and asparagus

I mean chicken and spinach

Mhm

Okay

Super power food

Spinach

Yeah

You want to talk about You want to talk about that though? Superpower

You know what I'm saying? That's why Popey ate it

for for many people, not for everybody

What do you mean by that? Well, if you have hypothyroidism, spinach is not your friend

You got gout, spinach is not your friend

Speaking of thyroids, uh y'all remember Rush Hour, too

Oh, here we go.

Uh when Chris Tucker was in front uh in the beginning of the movie when he uh had a car accident and that lady, he said, he told the lady, he said, "This loud this this ID said, you 120 pounds, girl, you at least 150." He said, "I have a thyroid issue." He said, "Well, stop eating thyroid." He said, you know

what I'm saying? He had no idea thyroids are in your body and not uh something you eat

So, we're all learning here

Chris Tucker and us all at one time

Yes

All right

So, what are you making? 10 minutes, three ingredients, one pan, 10 minutes

What are you making?

So, I'm going to go the ramen route

Okay

So, there's ramen that is made with only two ingredients

It's made with rice flour and millet flour, not all that other stuff

Okay

So, it's actually healthy for you

Can I stop you for one second? You can.

If I was a judge on a competition show right now and this was the challenge and that's what you said you were going to start doing, I'd have a lot to say at the judge table

You know why? Because he he's never had my round

Yeah

And that's that's what they would

say to me, TOO

I'M LIKE, "OH, BAD CHOICE

CHOOSE SOMETHING ELSE

YOU DON'T WANT TO GO HOME THIS ROUND

There's a lot of money on the line, you know." Uh, but you would just tell me who I cook for

I cook for the home

Okay

Right

So, we want So, so we So, we're

going to do some ramen

We're going to do some lamb because lamb is fatty

Okay

Right

And I'm going to choose tomatoes because tomatoes very healthy for you first of all

Yeah

And you can make them into a sauce

You can chunk them up

You can put them on top

So, there's some texture in there

And

you didn't say seasonings count

So, I put all the seasonings in there

I won't

Okay

Mhm

All right

Mhm

That Okay, guys

Grocery came

New

challenge for you right here

Three ingredients, one pan, 10 minutes

All right

I like that

Lamb shank

No, ground

Oh, ground lamb

I thought you got 10 minutes

That's about 10 hours

Ground lamb

How does this turn into ramen though?

So, ramen, you can get it at Costco

Okay

So, ramen, it's made with two ingredients

So, it's rice ramen

I mean a rice flour and millet flour and it's organic

Okay

So you're making or you buying that? No, you you can buy that at the store.

Okay

So the one ingredient that you're one of your ingredients is the the ramen made already

Oh, okay

The noodle itself

Okay

I thought you were doing two flowers

I was saying red flag people

Throw the flag

She cheated

That was two ingredients by itself

Okay

So you got your ramen, you got

your tomatoes, which you can do a lot with that

You can

You know what I'm saying? And you got your lamb

Ground up lamb

Ramen

Tomato

So you got like a little pasta

Yeah.

A little spaghetti

High high class spaghetti

High class saditti spaghetti

Sadiddi spaghetti

All right

So, one way we would always try to end this podcast would be rapid fire questions

It's always fun to see what somebody thinks of on the fly.

You know what I'm saying? You get to see who people really are

Um, and I want you to know who we are

You know what I'm saying? Get comfortable with us

Grow with us

Get knowledge

Start xing things out

You know what I'm saying? Understand when people are lying to you

We gonna take

back your your truth

But right now, it's all about you

Right now, it's all about you

All right, I'm ready

Are you ready for this? Yep, I'm ready

All right, go ahead and hit that bell.

What is your favorite What is your walk-in theme song? Time for some Action by Red Man

Oh, I'm Oh, okay

No one was some action

That's a surprise

Okay

I'm not saying that's why you shouldn't judge people

That's right.

Don't judge people by how they look

You don't know what they going to say

Red man

Okay

All right

Herbs or spices? Spices

Cast iron or stainless steel? Stainless steel all day

Slow simmer or high heat? Slow simmer

In 10 minutes

I'm messing with you

Uh,

butter or olive or avocado oil? Butter

Okay

Okay

That was it

I didn't want to go too far with you

You know what I'm saying? I want to I want to trick you up

Those are good answers

All right

Okay.

Your turn

I got I'm ready for you

Okay

You ready? Yes

All right

Close my eyes when I do it so I can envision who I truly am

I'm going to jumble them around for you.

Okay

Okay

Go ahead

So, cast iron or stainless steel? Stainless steel

Easy

Okay

Herbs or spices? Spices

Herbs

No

Yeah

They're finisher

Without the spices, you'll never get to a good finishing agent.

Okay

I will agree with that

What's your theme song? Theme song is today

H probably black

I'm the man

Really? Yeah

You ain't no him, did you? Judging me over all judgy

You know what I'm

saying? All judgy over here

Okay

Yeah

Alo Black

I'm the man

All right

Slow simmer or high heat? High heat all day

Slow simmer

Time and place for everything

High heat can can settle in any situation

Okay

So, I'm I'm I'm going to assume on this one, butter or avocado oil?

Avocado oil

Yeah

Because you can't you can't do high heat with butter burning up stuff all over the place

Yeah

Think of that

But that's a good one

You can't do it

You can clarify and get them up there, but you can mix them together

See, that's where life

works at

But the one that's one of the new trends you see a lot is avocado oil being like the premier cooking oil

Do you agree with that? Um, yeah

Yeah, I would

You would you tell people? Okay

So, and

just to be clear, so I notice this are my last two cents I'm giving you on this one

You can fry chicken in and avocado oil

Yes

If you're looking for something, you know what I'm saying? Stay away from that canola.

Not olive

Do not fry in olive oil

Please do not

The smoking point is not the same

Yeah

And plus, it's toxic once you fry and it gets past that smoking

Oh, okay

Gotcha

I just thought you me toxic by itself

I said, "Oh my gosh."

Another thing you can't have is olive oil

Oh my goodness

You can definitely The olive oil is for more like marinades and finishing

You know what I'm saying? Also for searing

Yeah

Yeah

Yeah

You can sear on it

I I use olive

oil, but I probably I I love avocado oil

Super expensive now

Yeah

That's why I I cut it with a little canola

I'm joking

That's a joke, by the way

That's a joke

I haven't used canola in years

Uh just joking, you know, bring a little humor to the show.

All right, so this has been our episode of the Flavor Verse Function podcast

I am the super chef Darnell Ferguson and and I am the naturopath Sakina Bunch from Clean Good Eats

We will see you next episode as we try to help you balance flavor and function in your life so you can have a good

balance, more function than flavor, but I'm going to help you get there

See you next episode

See you

Bye.